Comments on: Goodbye Wedge, Hello Vise

By: crp

crp — Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:29:34 +0000

The lawyer described cross ex ok as far as it went but the truth is that in cross you get to use the authority of the witness for your own view.

So in cross your questioning must be very precise:
you must use leading questions;
the questions should be framed so the answer is always yes;
each question should build on the last question;
the questions are formed is sequences;
these sequences are designed to form conclusions;
the questioner should have backup info to force the yes answer required – if the answer is no the questioner should forcefully defend the answer by previous testimony facts or authorities and the discrepancies used to impugn the witness;

This can be better than the direct exam because with leading questions the witness is forced to use your words exactly as the testimony but it is the opposing witnesses authority and testimony.

So you build your case in the words of the opposing witness using that witnesses peculiar strengths and previous testimony. You only use what can be defended with that witness;

By: steve_h

steve_h — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:52:55 +0000

Hi mmadigan,

could you give me some examples of questions that ‘darwinites’ are so anxious to avoid? I’ll do my best and try and get some answers to some of them. FYI I accept the current scientific explanation although I am not a scientist myself, so in that respect I am probably what you would call a ‘darwinite’.

By: mmadigan

mmadigan — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:43:55 +0000

Dr.D, that Vise is your best work since the explanatory filter. Bravo.
It is plain to see why the darwinites so anxiously avoid questions.

By: jboze3131

jboze3131 — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:11:22 +0000

i see links to this story where theyre claiming the vaticans comments were a rejection of intelligent design and creationism. of course, creationism fits best with the bible- i dont know how you can deny that. genesis isnt written as a fairy tale narrative just to prove a point…its written as plain history. if its not, then why did christ say he was the final adam to come to the world- that he was a direct descentdent of adam (the first man CREATED by God)?

the vatican seems like it might be out of touch with biblical teaching…tho, in some perverse manners its grasping at straws to defend PART of the genesis record?

i dont get it.

can anyone shine some light on these issues in regard to the theology and what the vatican is really supporting and rejecting??

By: jay

jay — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:51:03 +0000

russ: “ES = Evolutionary Sophist.” Close. It’s good as far as it goes, but it doesn’t captures her essential conceitedness. Thanks for the effort.

By: DonaldM

DonaldM — Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:20:54 +0000

This paper may prove to be more valuable than we realize. The more these questions are pressed in public arenas (conferences, the internet, the media etc), the more people we begin to see the evasiveness and illogical reasoning of the anti-crowd. Thanks to Bill for bringing together in one place the myriad of questions that many of us have been asking for a long time. It is good to have them side-by-side and worded in the right way. It is just these sorts of questions that reveal the true philosophical presuppositions behind the anti-ID arguments. Once those presuppositions are flushed out, maybe, just maybe, real discussion can begin.

By: Dean's World

Dean's World — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:05:31 +0000

NeoDarwinism, PostDarwinism, The Pope, and Other Dangerous Ideas

The Vatican has issued a strong condemnation of creationists. In the meantime, others conte…

By: Lurker

Lurker — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:04:23 +0000

Considering the decision in Kansas, now may be a good time to try out The Vise on our friends at Pandas Thumb. A few less turns might be needed to make ‘em pop.

By: crandaddy

crandaddy — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:35:03 +0000

So, Bill, how are the “Darwin in a Vise” dolls comming along? Don’t forget, I get the first one . Look at the very first comment here:
http://www.uncommondescent.com.....chives/321

David

By: russ

russ — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 04:48:45 +0000

How about ES = Evolutionary Sophist