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	<title>Comments on: Dawkins to Wolpert: &#8220;Lewis, you are starting to sound like a creationist&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: If it's been edited out, it didn't happen?! Yeah, right &#124; Uncommon Descent</title>
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		<dc:creator>If it's been edited out, it didn't happen?! Yeah, right &#124; Uncommon Descent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I reported on July 19, 2007 here at UD that 2007 Genetic and Evolutionary Computation Conference in London included a debate in which Richard Dawkins accused Lewis Wolpert of being a creationist, to which Wolpert responded that sometimes he wished he were a creationist (go here for my previous posting). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I reported on July 19, 2007 here at UD that 2007 Genetic and Evolutionary Computation Conference in London included a debate in which Richard Dawkins accused Lewis Wolpert of being a creationist, to which Wolpert responded that sometimes he wished he were a creationist (go here for my previous posting). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tragicmishap</title>
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		<dc:creator>tragicmishap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh it&#039;s published by John Wily &amp; Sons Ltd 2005.  Also wiley.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh it&#8217;s published by John Wily &amp; Sons Ltd 2005.  Also wiley.com.</p>
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		<title>By: tragicmishap</title>
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		<dc:creator>tragicmishap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill I just want to recommend a book to you if you haven&#039;t read it already.  I mention it here because it often cites the proceedings of past GECCO conferences.  

&quot;Intelligent Bioinformatics&quot; by Edward Leedwell and Ajit Narayanan

No, it&#039;s not an ID book.  Basically it&#039;s detailing the use of artificial intelligence in bioinformatics.  Essentially the thesis is that random brute force searches are not sufficient tools to make sense of all the biological data being created today, so &quot;artificial intelligence&quot; programs might be more useful.  Check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill I just want to recommend a book to you if you haven&#8217;t read it already.  I mention it here because it often cites the proceedings of past GECCO conferences.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Intelligent Bioinformatics&#8221; by Edward Leedwell and Ajit Narayanan</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not an ID book.  Basically it&#8217;s detailing the use of artificial intelligence in bioinformatics.  Essentially the thesis is that random brute force searches are not sufficient tools to make sense of all the biological data being created today, so &#8220;artificial intelligence&#8221; programs might be more useful.  Check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: bork</title>
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		<dc:creator>bork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Species reverting seems like a viable experiment for evolution- or is genetic information simutanously lost and gained at the same time?  One should be able to mutate towards increaing complexity and so called decreasing complexity- espically in a lab as the environment is controlled.

Does anyone know if experiments with &quot;de-evolution&quot; have been tried?

As for memes in the comments.  I think memes are psuedoscience also, and can&#039;t seem to think why Dr. Dawkins holds on to the concept other than to enforce his atheism.  Seems like he is searching for something to validate his atheism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Species reverting seems like a viable experiment for evolution- or is genetic information simutanously lost and gained at the same time?  One should be able to mutate towards increaing complexity and so called decreasing complexity- espically in a lab as the environment is controlled.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if experiments with &#8220;de-evolution&#8221; have been tried?</p>
<p>As for memes in the comments.  I think memes are psuedoscience also, and can&#8217;t seem to think why Dr. Dawkins holds on to the concept other than to enforce his atheism.  Seems like he is searching for something to validate his atheism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GilDodgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>GilDodgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I always admired atheists. I think it takes a lot of faith.&quot; - Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;I don&#039;t have enough faith to be an atheist.&quot; - Norman Geisler

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I always admired atheists. I think it takes a lot of faith.&#8221; &#8211; Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t have enough faith to be an atheist.&#8221; &#8211; Norman Geisler</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Have-Enough-Faith-Atheist/dp/1581345615" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Hav.....1581345615</a></p>
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		<title>By: Borne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Borne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...he saw no reason why...&quot;
Of course not - he isn&#039;t looking for any. Indeed, evidence to the contrary means nothing to him.  He has preconceived that there can be none.  

All Dawkin&#039;s reasoning is based upon his preconceived pretense &amp; wishes that there be no God.  Therefore all his &quot;reasonings&quot; go wrong right there.
His foundation is wrong so the whole structure is faulty.

The man is incapable of thinking outside his own little box.

Atheism is certainly a mind virus, if such things exist.

&quot;The atheists are for the most part imprudent and misguided scholars who reason badly who, not being able to understand the Creation, the origin of evil, and other difficulties, have recourse to the hypothesis the eternity of things and of inevitability.....&quot;    - Voltaire

&quot;It is true, that a little philosophy inclines man&#039;s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy brings men&#039;s minds about to religion.&quot;    - Sir Francis Bacon 

&quot;I always admired atheists. I think it takes a lot of faith.&quot;    - Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;he saw no reason why&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Of course not &#8211; he isn&#8217;t looking for any. Indeed, evidence to the contrary means nothing to him.  He has preconceived that there can be none.  </p>
<p>All Dawkin&#8217;s reasoning is based upon his preconceived pretense &amp; wishes that there be no God.  Therefore all his &#8220;reasonings&#8221; go wrong right there.<br />
His foundation is wrong so the whole structure is faulty.</p>
<p>The man is incapable of thinking outside his own little box.</p>
<p>Atheism is certainly a mind virus, if such things exist.</p>
<p>&#8220;The atheists are for the most part imprudent and misguided scholars who reason badly who, not being able to understand the Creation, the origin of evil, and other difficulties, have recourse to the hypothesis the eternity of things and of inevitability&#8230;..&#8221;    &#8211; Voltaire</p>
<p>&#8220;It is true, that a little philosophy inclines man&#8217;s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy brings men&#8217;s minds about to religion.&#8221;    &#8211; Sir Francis Bacon </p>
<p>&#8220;I always admired atheists. I think it takes a lot of faith.&#8221;    &#8211; Diane Frolov and Andrew Schneider</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry:
&lt;i&gt;We had this same discussion last week. Common descent of two species is different from universal common descent.&lt;/i&gt;

And I would say I accept that, to a point.

&lt;i&gt;There are too many similarities (nucleotide similarities) of chimps and humans to be coincidence that also can distinguish them from other species.&lt;/i&gt;

Similarities can be explained by Common Design and/or convergence.

And molecular convergence is a reality in the evolutionary mode of thinking. Google the term &quot;molecular convergence&quot; and you will find Sean Carroll&#039;s name.

See also Ã¢â‚¬Å“Convergent evolution in primates and an insectivoreÃ¢â‚¬Â.

&lt;i&gt;Yes there are many, many differences. The only question is the mechanism for the similarities. Or whether one wants to call it common descent or not.&lt;/i&gt;

That is why I maintain that in order for universal common descent to separate itself from the other explanations is that it has to account for the physiological and anatomical differences observed between allegedly closely related populations.

If it can&#039;t do that then either present all the options or none and just present the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry:<br />
<i>We had this same discussion last week. Common descent of two species is different from universal common descent.</i></p>
<p>And I would say I accept that, to a point.</p>
<p><i>There are too many similarities (nucleotide similarities) of chimps and humans to be coincidence that also can distinguish them from other species.</i></p>
<p>Similarities can be explained by Common Design and/or convergence.</p>
<p>And molecular convergence is a reality in the evolutionary mode of thinking. Google the term &#8220;molecular convergence&#8221; and you will find Sean Carroll&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>See also Ã¢â‚¬Å“Convergent evolution in primates and an insectivoreÃ¢â‚¬Â.</p>
<p><i>Yes there are many, many differences. The only question is the mechanism for the similarities. Or whether one wants to call it common descent or not.</i></p>
<p>That is why I maintain that in order for universal common descent to separate itself from the other explanations is that it has to account for the physiological and anatomical differences observed between allegedly closely related populations.</p>
<p>If it can&#8217;t do that then either present all the options or none and just present the data.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph,

You said

&quot;The point being that to accept universal common descent in any form is to do so on faith alone.&quot;

We had this same discussion last week.  Common descent of two species is different from universal common descent.  There are too many similarities (nucleotide similarities) of chimps and humans to be coincidence that also can distinguish them from other species.  Yes there are many, many differences.  The only question is the mechanism for the similarities.  Or whether one wants to call it common descent or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph,</p>
<p>You said</p>
<p>&#8220;The point being that to accept universal common descent in any form is to do so on faith alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>We had this same discussion last week.  Common descent of two species is different from universal common descent.  There are too many similarities (nucleotide similarities) of chimps and humans to be coincidence that also can distinguish them from other species.  Yes there are many, many differences.  The only question is the mechanism for the similarities.  Or whether one wants to call it common descent or not.</p>
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		<title>By: shaner74</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaner74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Although the topic was supposed to be how complexity could arise from evolutionÃ¢â‚¬Â

ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s interesting, because unless IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m mistaken, the only evidence we have of complexity arising from Dawkinesque Ã¢â‚¬Å“unguidedÃ¢â‚¬Â evolution is a few computer simulations.

Ã¢â‚¬Å“Dawkins in turn stated that he saw no reason why a mouse could not de-evolve into a sub-species and then re-evolve with wings.Ã¢â‚¬Â

How is it that so many view this man as a Ã¢â‚¬Å“greatÃ¢â‚¬Â scientist? When was the last time anyone read something from him that impressed you? Made you go Ã¢â‚¬Å“wow, he really knows his stuffÃ¢â‚¬Â All I hear from him is faith-based wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Although the topic was supposed to be how complexity could arise from evolutionÃ¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s interesting, because unless IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m mistaken, the only evidence we have of complexity arising from Dawkinesque Ã¢â‚¬Å“unguidedÃ¢â‚¬Â evolution is a few computer simulations.</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Dawkins in turn stated that he saw no reason why a mouse could not de-evolve into a sub-species and then re-evolve with wings.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>How is it that so many view this man as a Ã¢â‚¬Å“greatÃ¢â‚¬Â scientist? When was the last time anyone read something from him that impressed you? Made you go Ã¢â‚¬Å“wow, he really knows his stuffÃ¢â‚¬Â All I hear from him is faith-based wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathetes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathetes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe that Dawkins still holds to that &quot;mind virus&quot; idea. It&#039;s especially ironic coming from a militant atheist who chides theists for believing in an invisible entity with no empirical evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that Dawkins still holds to that &#8220;mind virus&#8221; idea. It&#8217;s especially ironic coming from a militant atheist who chides theists for believing in an invisible entity with no empirical evidence.</p>
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