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   bornagain77April 30, 2010 at 9:00 am

   Here are the videos I could find:

   Science Stumbles on Design Part 1 of 2 – Michael Behe – 2002
   http://www.vimeo.com/9025844

   Science and Religion: Where the Real Conflict Lies – Alvin Platinga – 2009
   http://www.vimeo.com/9048111

   Scientists and Their Gods – Fritz Schaefer – 2008
   http://www.vimeo.com/9169326

   Creation of the Cosmos – Walter Bradley – 2000
   http://www.vimeo.com/9238831

   The Fine-Tuning of the Universe Part 1 of 2 – Guillermo Gonzalez, Jay Richards – 2007
   http://www.vimeo.com/9170374

   Bacterial Flagella: A Paradigm for Design – Scott Minnich – 2005
   http://www.vimeo.com/9032112

   The Cell’s Design: How Biochemistry Reveals the Work of a Creator – Fazale Rana – 2009
   http://www.vimeo.com/8987671

   Creation, Evolution or Both? – Fazale Rana – 2008
   http://www.vimeo.com/9236922

   as well Dr. Rana’s astrophysicist partner Hugh Ross is featured in a video. As well, Dr. William Lane Craig has a keynote address that is very interesting as usual for Dr. Craig.

   Though not ID per se: I really enjoyed this following speaker on the veritas forum:

   Rumors of Another World – Philip Yancey
   http://www.vimeo.com/9222909
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   CollinApril 30, 2010 at 10:46 am

   Bornagain,

   You once told me that later on in Mr. Rana’s speech, actually during the Q and A, he addressed the issue of Adam and Even being far apart time-wise. Did that get recorded, to your knowledge?
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   CollinApril 30, 2010 at 10:47 am

   I meant the video “Creation, evolution or both.”
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   bornagain77April 30, 2010 at 11:08 am

   Collin,
   Dr. Rana goes into a little more detail here:

   Does human genetic evidence support Noah’s flood? Fazale Rana – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4116168

   Dr. Ross explains the heteroplasmy discrepancy and how it relates to mitochrondial Eve in this video at the 59 minute mark::

   “Creation as Science” – Hugh Ross – A Testable Creation Model – video
   http://video.google.com/videop.....3183645446

   Book Review; Who Was Adam?: A Creation Model Approach to the Origin of Man:
   Excerpt: The Bible claims that there was a genetic bottleneck at the Genesis flood. Whereas all females can trace their ancestry back to Eve (through the three wives of Noah’s sons), all males trace their Y-chromosomes through Noah (through his three sons). This predicted discrepancy for molecular dates of mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome data is actually seen in the scientific literature.
   http://www.godandscience.org/n.....05-09.html
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   bornagain77April 30, 2010 at 11:11 am

   Collin here is the Dr. Ross video by itself:

   Human Evolution – Genetic Adam And Eve – Hugh Ross – video
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4036776
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   CollinApril 30, 2010 at 11:35 am

   Thanks BA. Very interesting.
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   dodgingcarsApril 30, 2010 at 12:28 pm

   Thanks for posting this correction. I was one of the people who commented on the previous post that there were no TE guests at Veritas.
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   dodgingcarsApril 30, 2010 at 2:03 pm

   oops meant to say “that there were only TE guests”
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   GilDodgenApril 30, 2010 at 5:53 pm

   bornagain,

   Thanks for the vimeo links. There is a great presentation by Dr. Dembski, I believe from 2004:

   http://www.vimeo.com/9026489

   It appears to be one part in a multi-part video. I wonder if the other part(s) are available.
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    osteonectinApril 30, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Isn’t it time to apologize to Veritas? You actually characterized them as being different from an earlier incarnation which
    

    was not an organization with finger in the wind, checking on what will play in the secular world. We’re talking some changes in management and some intense lobbying by people opposed to ID.

    Provided the claim that due to their faith ID proponents have higher moral standards correcting yourself is just not enough.
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    MungApril 30, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    I’ve been reliably informed that this is not so. Names of people who have done Veritas events since 2005 include…

    Those all look like theistic evolutionists to me!

    

    Could someone explain to me why Young Earth Creationists aren’t theistic evolutionists?

    Do they believe that all that evolution that took place after the animals disembarked the ark was godless!?
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    MungApril 30, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    So I’ll admit I’m confused.

    Can we agree that “Theistic Darwinist” would better describe those we are currently referring to as theistic evolutionist?

    I mean, from what I can tell, Michael Behe is a theistic evolutionist, and if he’s not, I’d sure like to know why not.

    But he’s certainly not a Theistic Darwinist. Anyone who has read his books knows that.

    To be sure, “theistic darwinist” may be a contradiction in terms, but if there’s anything that history teaches us it’s that people can hold to contradictory beliefs without caring to admit it, or even being aware of it.

    John the Baptist. Accident of birth, product of Darwinian evolution, or sent by God?

    Jesus Christ. Accident of birth, product of Darwinian evolution, or sent by God?
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    PhaedrosApril 30, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    Mung-

    The evidence is in-Jesus Christ, product of chemical reactions. lol
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    PhaedrosApril 30, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleology
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    ShawnBoyMay 1, 2010 at 3:50 am

    OT: Evolution News & Views: BIO-Complexity: A New, Peer-Reviewed Science Journal, Open to the ID Debate
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    bornagain77May 1, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I found Dr. Fazale Rana on this veritas video. Beginning at the 40 minute mark Dr. Rana gives an excellent 20 minute lecture:

    Origins of Life Panel Discussion
    http://www.vimeo.com/8871228