Scientists: Nothing to fear from atom-smasher

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....y_collider

excerpt:

The collider basically consists of a ring of supercooled magnets 17 miles in circumference attached to huge barrel-shaped detectors. The ring, which straddles the French and Swiss border, is buried 330 feet underground.

The machine, which has been called the largest scientific experiment in history, isn’t expected to begin test runs until August, and ramping up to full power could take months. But once it is working, it is expected to produce some startling findings.

Scientists plan to hunt for signs of the invisible “dark matter” and “dark energy” that make up more than 96 percent of the universe, and hope to glimpse the elusive Higgs boson, a so-far undiscovered particle thought to give matter its mass.

The collider could find evidence of extra dimensions, a boon for superstring theory, which holds that quarks, the particles that make up atoms, are infinitesimal vibrating strings.

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Anyone care to predict what they will find?

As for myself;

I predict they will find no evidence for “material particles” of Dark Energy/Matter as the materialistic philosophy has presupposed for the basis of unexplained gravity and for the unexplained cosmological constant. (I believe the answer for these will be found in referencing the transcendent realm of “information”)

As for the Higgs boson, I’m haven’t examined the evidence and am undecided, but my money is riding that it will not be found by the “atom smasher”just because it seems to be a unnecessary materialistic conjecture at first glance.

As far as validating super-string theories “extra-dimensions (note; this is not the transcendent dimension of Theistic philosophy), my initial reaction is that they have vastly overreached themselves in hypothesizing past what evidence is available and have developed a highly conflated and complex mod^el that will be found to be full of nothing but hot air. i.e. I believe that the materialistic philosophy forced them into complex contortions they would not have had to take if they would have started from a pure Theistic framework.

For a more devastating critique of sting theory:

Not Even Wrong: The Failure of String Theory and the Search for Unity in Physical Law

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin.....0465092756

http://www.artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm#

http://www.inwestmoreland.com/.....Akiane.htm

excerpt:

Her originals are sold for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and many are valued at millions, making Akiane the most successful living visual art child prodigy in the world. Many of the world’s leaders, ministers, priests, royalty, scientists, media, CEOs, entrepreneurs, celebrities, and government officials have become acquainted with her art or collecting it.

What also made Akiane so unique and famous is that she is able to portray the invisible and visible realms with such emotion and realism. Collaborating with quantum physicists she is now trying to find mathematical formulas for her concepts. Akiane believes that people in the future will be able to study her originals with special microscopes revealing quantum relationships of the deepest colors and stories in her works.

The fearless artist is not afraid to jump into the most enigmatic and thought provoking visual and literary debates comforting those that will to explore uncharted territories. People from all faiths and backgrounds seem to respond to her vision of love and unity like to no one else’s. Akiane feels that with God we participate in co-creating new experiences, and that as spiritual beings we chose this human experience.

“Our future is our present. If we take care of it, we take care of tomorrow. The start and finish line is love. I know I am just one person, but I wish that with each brushstroke and with each verse I could bring hope to those who have lost it.”

“In order to comprehend the truth-
we need to see the road it travels.
In order to trust the truth
we need to remove from its road -
the speed limit.”

Akiane, age 9

Of her painting “Quantum World” she writes:

Quantum World

This is only a microscopic part of the quantum world – inside and outside of time.
The gateway to billions of dimensions is the deepest secret of life that can be penetrated only with an accurate eternal perspective. Each symbol, code, and shape here relates to this mysterious world.

***
Perfection agrees to temporal imperfection…
We journal energy
while its smallest parts
split into their own romance.
For the bottom weighs the most…

Here we are opening ourselves to parallel universes.
And mirroring ourselves
we walk from dimension to dimension observing all levels.
They know us.
And only a rare fool would not reach the other side.

Anyone who is not thrilled
by quantum waves
does not understand them.
But everyone still interprets what is
incomprehensible.

Each invisible particle is communication –
the magnet of information anatomy.
Overcoming the world
by its own capabilities
we split other beginnings.

Constant light of a narrow path
is a sequence of secret combinations.
When we cannot look around
and explain anything
we are the quantum world.

Reflections for “Quantum World”

We cannot complain
to the possibility.

Chromosomes and quarks stare at me
while I am not looking at them.

To have a future
we have to live
and leave the present.

Just as you commit to this life
when it commits to leaving you.

No supernatural can exist
for the mankind
that does not want to believe it.

Wisdom chooses the unknown
to be its reason.

Hallucination is a raw climb
to a end.
An illusion can never go faster
than the speed limit of reality.

We chase gravity of the micro world,
but after leaving its world
we try to perfect the laws here
that do not exist there.

We hear inconceivable,
but cannot see the intangible.
Secret to time is beyond our reason.

Many imitate limits,
not unlimited potentials.

I broke down all conclusions
into illusions and confusions.

How much does the universe weigh,
when it fasts for infinity?

The results came in,
but I still do not know
if I am in the real or fiction world.

Behind each door we shake
is a reality.

A fermented mind –
according to nothing,
we are something.

I always knew I was a dust.
But I never knew
I was also a universe.

Miracle
is a misunderstood reality.

Everyone has a watched life.
Everyone is both
the observer and the observed.

Past is deaf.
Future is mute.
Present is blind.

—

Truly a very Gifted Child of God.

“I actually believe that information has precedence over matter. I suspect that with careful enough technique entangled particles can transmit as close to 100% of the information of other particles as one wishes”

and you also believe:

“Belief in that (first) law has been fruitful for science, and there is a lot of evidence corroborating it and no definitive evidence disputing it for most of the history of the universe.

yet in spite of your stated beliefs you also state:

Thus I think the theoretical framework you are proposing, while interesting, is not completely compelling.

Then your objection to the my inference to the truthfulness and validity of the law of conservation of information has no basis in logic and you are objecting because of some personal preconceived bias that has nothing to do with reality, logic, or science.

As a side note and somewhat related, I realized this morning that quantum non-locality actually, at first glance, gives support for the “omnipresent” universal constants being based on “imposed transcendent information” instead of any problematic presupposed material basis of materialism (Dark Energy/Matter).

As far as discussing this any more with me that is up to you, I just thought you might have had a valid objection since you seem to know this topic so well, but alas I find no consistency in your logic and conclude that my argument to the validity of the law of conservation of information stands impeached so far.

We appear to be going around in circles, with you not understanding what I am saying. You seem to think that the sticking point, or at least a sticking point, is that I “deny that information has dom^in^ance in these [teleportation] experiments”. whereas what started out saying was that “I actually believe that information has precedence over matter. I suspect that with careful enough technique entangled particles can transmit as close to 100% of the information of other particles as one wishes”. When comments 37 and 38 make this mistake, and comment 39 starts out by saying, “as well”, apparently indicating that you still thought I was disputing the point and you were just answering a subsidiary caution (“objection” is too strong here), it is apparent that you are not comprehending what I had to say. Unless you can understand what I am saying, the conversation is pointless, and therefore I do not plan to continue this particular conversation.

If and when I see evidence that you actually understood what I wrote and are answering it specifically or agreeing with it, I will be happy to resume the conversation.

But in order (to) make your syllogism work, one must believe that A. one property that makes a realm great is the inability of the members of that realm to be created or destroyed, and B. the law of conservation of energy is absolute.

As you yourself admitted , as far as this material universe is concerned the first law holds with no violations; i.e. energy cannot be created or destroyed as far as material processes are concerned. But then again we have the Big Bang; the seeming “creation” or “transference” of energy from something or somewhere else. And here with Quantum Teleportation (QT), we have a elegant and coherent “baby” solution to the paradox of the big bang of “energy” (the seeming creation of energy) with the demonstrated nce of energy by “transcendent” information in QT experiments.

As for the alternative; energy came from nothing, I find the mystery of QT to hold a lot more promise and coherence of logic, thus I don’t see where objection has any merit.

In your objection B.”the law of conservation of energy is absolute.”

As somewhat illustrated above, if the domi^na^nce of information is indeed complete over energy, this will suspend the first law as far transcendent information is concerned. i.e. energy would only have to be conserved as far as the “material/energy realm is concerned but would yield its authority to what we could label the “proper” dom^in^ate transcendent information.

Follow?

Thus as far as your objections I can see no merit to concern my argument.

http://www.signandsight.com/features/614.html

What are you doing?

Transferring the properties of light particles over certain distances onto other light particles, with no time delay. The procedure is based on phenomena which exist only in the quantum world, and is known as “quantum teleportation.”

Thus I think the theoretical framework you are proposing, while interesting, is not completely compelling.

You must deny that transcendent information is telling energy exactly what to “be/do” in teleportation experiments to deny the validity of my argument to the law of conservation of information. Do you deny that information has dom^in^ance in these experiments? If you don’t deny it then you have a flaw in your foundational logic. If you do deny it please explain your proposed mechanism for what is happening.

Just to clear up a few things:

I actually believe that information has precedence over matter. I suspect that with careful enough technique entangled particles can transmit as close to 100% of the information of other particles as one wishes, although the practical problems will preclude the teleportation of people, or even bacteria, by humans for the foreseeable future. If you want to see my take on quantum mechanics, go here (or here [PDF]), especially pp. 38-53.

But in order make your syllogism work, one must believe that A. one property that makes a realm great is the inability of the members of that realm to be created or destroyed, and B. the law of conservation of energy is absolute. There is some doubt about A, and more importantly considerable doubt about B.

Before you step back in horror at my advocacy that the law of conservation of energy has been violated, let me explain. I believe that ordinarily the law of conservation of energy is strictly followed. Belief in that law has been fruitful for science, and there is a lot of evidence corroborating it and no definitive evidence disputing it for most of the history of the universe. But there are exceptions. When the universe started, there was a massive injection of energy. When Jesus fed the 5,000 bread and fish appeared out of apparently nowhere. Bread and fish have matter which has mass, which requires energy to form. It is possible that they were made out of thin air, but that implies a wind blowing into where they were being made, with no evidence for such a wind in the text. It is at least possible that when God decides to act, the law of conservation of energy becomes invalid.

If that is the case, it is possible that information, even though being dominant over matter, might share this property of matter; when God does not specially act, energy, and information, are conserved. However, when God acts, energy, and information, may appear or disappear. That would leave me affirming the conservation of energy, information, and most of the time matter, whenever God does not act specifically to change these laws (supersede may be a better term than violate, just as magnetic force may supersede gravity without actually violating the law of gravity, or more properly, general relativity).

Thus I think the theoretical framework you are proposing, while interesting, is not completely compelling. The complete truth may be beyond the reach of uneducated cavemen.

Yet again, as with your YEC conjectures, I respectfully agree to disagree with you. The validity of my arguments for conservation of information is in fact based on repeatable empirics and concrete logic and is not based on popular opinions of what my crude mannerisms of presentation might appear to be to others.

IF you accept quantum teleportation as true (which I presume you don’t completely accept it, but for the sake of argument IF), then the demonstrated dom^in^ance of “information” over energy in the experiment necessitates that information, at the very least, have qualities that are equal to energy’s qualities. Thus the currently accepted empirics of quantum teleportation establishes that Conservation of Information must be true of logical necessity. It is simple logic Paul (It must be simple if I can understand it – LOL), simple logic derived from the experiment itself and from the first law. i.e. since energy cannot be created or destroyed (by any known “material means”) anything displaying complete 100% dom^in^ance of energy (telling energy exactly what to “be/do” in a successful QT experiment) must of logical necessity possess equal or greater qualities. Thus information cannot be created by any known purely material means also. It is so simple a caveman could do it Paul – LOL

I’ve been thinking over possible objections to this and the only ones I can think of would only refine this starting position of Conservation Of Information to some unknown entropic constraint (maybe it is some anomaly that I overlooked and you pointed out), or the objection would actually be a blatant violation of logic (such as information can te energy even though energy must create information (chicken and egg logic so to say)).

you also stated:

“Again, I do not wish you to quit posting.”

I am sure one of these days you will wish so. LOL