[Off Topic:] Paris Riots
| November 4, 2005 | Posted by William Dembski under Education |
The Muslim uprising of the last week is a challenge to the half century of policy that has brought France to this point. Policies which deprecated European culture, frowned on a national identity, lowered the birthrate, created a welfare state, imported ‘guest workers’, promoted mindless multiculturalism and relied on ‘international’ treaties for protection — all articles of Leftist faith — are now facing the judgment of history; and worse, the verdict of Islam. It would be supremely ironical if the European Left, the ‘vanguard of history’, required for its future survival the very things it had set out to destroy. [Go here for more: http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com.]
By the way, Gary, there’s only 1 “t” in Scot. I don’t misspell my own name and you aren’t prescient enough to know it even if I did, dummy.
I wonder if Gary approves of Muslim culture treating women like chattel?
Please clarify, Gary. Is that okay with you? I say it’s sick (diseased) and has no place in the civilized world and should be treated like any other disease. We don’t try to co-exist with diseases out of a misplaced sense of tolerance, we attempt to eradicate them out of a desire to make a better world.
Get a clue, Hurd.
Pat Hayes on RedStateRabble blog
http://redstaterabble.blogspot.....scist.html
Pat’s profile says he has two children. I wonder if either of them are female how he’d care for them being denied an education, made to wear a burka in public, and generally owned like animals by decree male Islamic clerics.
Pipe up, Pat. Lets hear it. Explain to me how Islam is a good thing that deserves tolerance instead of contempt.
neurode wrote: “instead, they cling defiantly to their ethnic identity even after promising France their loyalty in return for citizenship.”
A number of studies have shown that French employers will often turn down job applications from immigrants or their second- and third-generation children, even if they are equally or more qualified than a “franco-French” applicant. Radicalization is, in some cases, an effect of racism. Some French civil rights groups have proposed that employers use “blind” resumés, with the applicant’s name and identifying info removed and replaced with an ID code before initial screening, to counter this problem. The French, as a whole, are much less willing to talk about race than Americans because of the prevailing ideology that race doesn’t matter. (The French census does not ask any questions about ethnic or religious affiliation.)
And many of the young men who are protesting never promised France anything: they were born in France, they have been French all their lives, yet they are often treated by the state, potential employers, and other French people as if they were not “real” French. (Hence the term “franco-French” that is all to frequently used by ultranationalists to distinguish themselves–or those they imagine to be like themselves–from immigrants and their descendants.) In other cases, Africans who showed real loyalty to France, like the Senegalese infantrymen who fought for the Free French during WWII, or the harkis who fought for France during the Algerian war, have seen their loyalty rewarded by neglect or contempt; that sends a powerful message to younger men about how French they really are, in the state’s eyes.
I don’t condone the rioting that’s going on now. But I do wish that before commenting on it, people would take the time to actually learn something about the specifics of the case, and not fall back on simple ideological positions and stale jokes.
By the way, the same argument you are making about Muslims in contemporary France was made in the US in the 19th century about Irish immigrants. They refused to integrate, they clung to their ethnic (and religious) identity, they were loyal to Rome not the US, etc. Good thing they got rid of their separate religion, celebrations, and ethnic identity, or this country would have collapsed before 1900.
“By the way, the same argument you are making about Muslims in contemporary France was made in the US in the 19th century about Irish immigrants.”
Are you arguing that the Irish undertook a nationwide campaign of racial violence analogous to what is currently happening in France? I certainly hope not. It may have taken a generation or two, but the Irish did manage to assimilate, and did so admirably.
In contrast, we see (by your own admission) that large numbers of second and third-generation African immigrants are engaging in the current rash of internecine criminal activity now tearing France asunder. Furthermore, we know that their religion, Islam, encourages non-assimilation to foreign cultures, and even the forcible conversion of “infidels” both at home and abroad.
You do understand, don’t you, that the two situations are very, very different?
neurode wrote: “Are you arguing that the Irish undertook a nationwide campaign of racial violence analogous to what is currently happening in France?”
Yes. The (Irish) Draft Riots during the Civil War were far more violent than the current (terrible) riots in France.
http://www.civilwarhome.com/draftriots.htm
If you think you’ve never heard of them, perhaps you’ve seen “Gangs of New York,” where they are a fairly crucial part of the plot.
This is what always happens when an unintegrated, jobless minority population is stretched to the breaking point. It has basically nothing to do with Muslims or West Africans in particular. In fact Muslim leaders have issued fatwas against the rioting.
Cognitive_flux,
You have been trained as ever to defend the foundation of Islam while trying dishonestly to say that the extremists don’t stand on it. You imply that it is the WEST that creates Megalomaniac dictators, not Islam, citing your only example as Saddam Hussein. What would you say considering the words of President Ahmadinejad of Iran while reiterating the what the mad Imam Khomeini about “wiping Israel off the map“? Is this what we can expect from an Islamic Republic? Absolutely. What about the fact that over 50,000 copies of Mein Kampf were sold in Turkey in the first 3 months of 2005? What do you think this says about Islamic Turkey, which still denies its ethnic cleansing against the Armenians in which 1.5 million Armenians were slain between 1915 and 1923. Ottoman Turkey, July 13, 1915: The Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins. During the whole month the greatest concentration and universalization of massacring and murdering (of ethnic Armenians) occur in every province of Turkey.
I won’t even go into the Barbary Coast pirates, or even bother bringing up Dhimmitude.
And what of your false prophet and founder Mohommed? Do you denounce his murderous, blood-lust filled actions as well? Do you DARE? … no, you don’t. And that’s the problem with you dishonest, peace-loving “moderate muslims”. You are simply chattel, literally human shields, for the core overlords of Islam. I say reject your false, murderous relgion/cult and walk into the light of Truth, if you care to seek it.
And then you have the gall to complain about Colonial practices! My God man! Do you know nothing of the history of
Cognitive Flux
Did women get to vote freely and without fear of punishment in those elections where Islamofacists won the popular vote?
Get a clue, misogynist. Islam is a pox on the civilized world.
By the way, a delightful woman named Mona is waging a nearly single handed battle against the the misogynist apologistas at Panda’s Thumb. Damn, what a woman! And an agnostic too. I border on infatuation…
Anywho, since I’m banned at the Epitomy of Hypocriticality (Panda’s Thumb) it would be nice if some of y’all besides Neurode (who is by some miracle not banned there yet) would go over and give Mona some support. She deserves it.
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Whew! 112 comments in 8 hours.
I think that might be a record at Panda’s Pathetic Pollex (tip o’ the hat to Professor Emeritus of Biology John A. Davison for coining “Panda’s Pathetic Pollex”).
Join the fun!
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wow. i knew the folks at PT were, in general, hate-filled fools…but this sort of thing takes the cake. bill merely pasted a quote from another blog, and that quote never called for murder, it never called deportation or anything even remotely similar.
yet, this Gary, claims bill made a fascist post. ive no idea how he came to this conclusion, and whats worse, he attacks me in the post as someone who is calling for the murder or muslims, yet anyone with a brain can see the post here and realize my SOLE comment said nothing of the sort. in fact, i made no comments on the situation at all…my only comment was in reply to someone who said they were selling a French rifle and it had only been dropped once:
i laughed at a french joke, and now im accused of calling for the murder of people? ive got a feeling gary isnt playing with a full deck. like most of the other hate-filled posts at PT, this one is no different. not shocked one bit.
btw- i see he also attacks bill and says that because he hasnt deleted all the comments, he, himself, is preaching hate. guilt by association. now, ive proven this gary as a bald faced liar, so can we now discount everything posted to PT since he posts to the site?
they have many posts by nick matske as well, and as ive mentioned before- this guy couldnt be honest if he had to. doesnt pz ‘anti-christian bigot’ myers contribute to the site as well?
Awww shucks, Gary Hurdd closed down the comments as soon as youse guys started in on it.
I guess Gary Hurdd is following the sage advice “if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen”.
Or something like that. I love yanking their chains.
Incredible. Gart Hurdd is now blithering about murder being sanctioned on Dembski’s blog. Presumably I’m the one that proposed murder. Is Gary Hurrd soft in the head or a lying sack of shite? Those are the only two options. Killing and murder are not the same things.
Ann Coulter wrote “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/091301.htm This is advocating war, not murder, though pathetic pacifist pikers like Gerry Hurd don’t seem able to tell the difference. I also wrote that Islam can’t survive in democracies. I’m not at all worried about Islam in the United States because the law allows Muslim women to vote and their misogynist masters will be worshipping Allah from a prison cell should they try to interfere with any woman’s right to vote, command what she can wear, what she can learn, who she can learn it from, or similar crap from their so-called scriptures. This of course doesn’t address the many, many millions of women forced to live as chattel in many Muslim countries around the world. I do not respect their right to treat half the human population this way and I will advocate war as necessary to stop it. Gary Hurt can kiss my militaristic American ass if he has a problem with that. Got it, Gary?
Hmmmm… Gary Hurd says he’s legally responsible for the content of that thread. Be that as it may he’s certainly responsible for his own libelous remarks such as:
Says Hurd:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ment-55553
“If not for the fact that Dembski deletes every post even slightly critical of positions he holds closely, I would have disagreed with Pat broadly. However, even in the trivially exposed instance of Shallit’s deposition, we see that Dembski is hyper-vigilant. When noxious exertions to murder are left without response, the become defacto postions of the site. This is an unavoidable consequence of Dembski’s prior behavior.”
http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ment-55707
(Note, any advocation of murders such as those tolerated on Dembski’s blog will be deleted by me, and I wil try to have the offending individual blocked from all further communication with PT).
Gary Hurd equates the actions of the United States to (it’s Al Qaida, dummy, not the Taliban) the video-taped beheadings of westerners done by Al Qaida in Iraq. Incredible.
http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ment-55709
Hurd sickly says:
So Gary, Al Qaida cowards wearing masks, themselves foreigners in Iraq, beheading foreign aid workers, foreign truck drivers, Jewish reporters, with long slow strokes of a butcher knife, broadcasting this around the world on video are just “freedom fighters” are not doing anything that George Bush wouldn’t do. Is that about the gist of what you want to tell us all you sick f*ck? Don’t beat around the Bush (pun intended), Gary, tell us what you really think. At least be an honest traitor. Ya got the balls for that?
The gavel has fallen. This thread is closed. –WmAD
What despicable liar Gary Hurd fails to quote in his treasonous attempt to equate Americans and Al Qaida above:
http://www.latimes.com/news/pr.....ws-comment
Foster wasn’t accused of assaulting a woman, he was *convicted* of raping a woman at knifepoint in 1936.
Foster’s execution, the first performed by lethal gas, was evidently botched. The witnesses were horrified, and it was never repeated.
Compare this to hooded (afraid to let the world know their identities – cowards of Allah apparently) Al Qaida mercenaries in Iraq slowly sawing the heads off of innocent aid workers, civilian truck drivers, journalists, and other non-combatants, one after another, not horrified but glorying in this ritual Islamic execution, taping it for posterity, and releasing the video tape to the world.
Gary Hurd, the sick liar, would have you believe the acts of Al Qaida are somehow equitable with the execution of Allen Foster 50 years ago.
Explain yourself, Hurd. You owe us all an explanation. Either that or check into a mental hospital and get some help.