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[Off Topic:] Paris Riots

The Muslim uprising of the last week is a challenge to the half century of policy that has brought France to this point. Policies which deprecated European culture, frowned on a national identity, lowered the birthrate, created a welfare state, imported ‘guest workers’, promoted mindless multiculturalism and relied on ‘international’ treaties for protection — all articles of Leftist faith — are now facing the judgment of history; and worse, the verdict of Islam. It would be supremely ironical if the European Left, the ‘vanguard of history’, required for its future survival the very things it had set out to destroy. [Go here for more: http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com.]

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48 Responses to [Off Topic:] Paris Riots

  1. If you’re interested in how multiculturalism can help destroy nations, read Arthur M. Schlesinger’s critique of multiculturalism in his book: The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi.....38;s=books

  2. The Dhimmitude of Europe is something that is becoming increasingly, painfully, too close to reality. It is time for Europeans to take a second look at these things. Their media refuses to point the finger, claiming that they “ought not confuse a minority with a majority” who wish to assimilate. They may wish to believe that all Muslims “ought” to be like the moderates, but the fact of the matter is that they are not. The moderates, by their silence and refusal to confront the extremists, justify and cover the actions of the extreme minority. But the fact is that if Mohommed himself were alive today, he would be considered the “extremist minority”. And truly, that is the core of Islam, the sword and the very strongmen that hold the religion intact through the fear of bloody reprisal against any dissent against “the prophet”. Bat Ye’Or has an excellent new book on the subject entitled Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis

  3. Further on this: Algerian group calls France ‘enemy number one’(Hat tip: LittleGreenFootballs).

    “The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr,” the group’s leader Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also own as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, was quoted as saying in an Internet message earlier this month.

    “France is our enemy number one, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of our community,” he was quoted as saying.

    So, I guess it seems that France needs to be taught how to behave. The very vanguards of “tolerance” and “multiculturism”, the European Left, are now tasting the rewards of their policies and relativistic philosophies. They believe that the only evil is “intolerance”. I wonder how long they can tolerate evil? And what will be their “enlightened” response?

  4. I was thinking of travelling to France, telling Chirac that I’m the leader of the uprising, and demanding he surrender the country to me. I’ve never owned a country before so thought it might be neat even if it is only France.

    Anyone want to buy a French Army rifle? It’s never been fired and only been dropped once. :-)

  5. “It’s never been fired and only been dropped once”

    lol. nice.

  6. If you’re interested in how multiculturalism can help destroy nations, read Arthur M. Schlesinger’s critique of multiculturalism in his book: The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society

    I’ll see your Schlesinger and raise you a Fukuyama. For shorter, but interesting reading, on the same subject, here is Francis Fukuyama’s column from the WSJ online a couple days back.
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110007491

  7. Fukuyama: “But the much more difficult problem remains of fashioning a national identity that will connect citizens of all religions and ethnicities in a common democratic culture, as the American creed has served to unite new immigrants to the United States.”

    Fukuyama is evidently quite a jokester. Either that, or he’s never lived in one of the truly “multicultural” regions of the U.S. I’ve lived in some of those regions, and many of their Christian residents, especially the caucasian ones, are under the impression that they’re no safer at home than they’d be in Paris right now. They also know that if they become victims of “multiculturalism”, it’s even less likely to hit the papers, since here in the U.S., “bias crimes” are often deemed newsworthy only when the victim is of fashionable ethnicity.

  8. I respect my muslim friends dearly and the people of Islam. However, I do feel that the religion itself,is indeed a threat to security and peace. How many Islamists have said statements like, “Kill the Infidel” or “Death to America and Israel”. Like Carl Sagan used to say “Billions and Billions.” I don’t think I remember one cleric or muslim for that matter coming out and saying “Love thy neighbor.” I can only say that Islam is indeed a religion of war and subjugation. I don’t want to paint all muslims as being terrorists, or such. Instead, I would like all muslims to turn around and really ask these questions, as to why their leaders are calling on death and destruction to infidel nations. Once again, this is not a way of suggesting Islamaphobia, however, public awareness would be the right way to handle these situations.

  9. I agree that Islamic leaders should be making an effort to show that their religion is not one of war, they haven’t done much to convince people of that. I would like to believe that Islam is as peaceful as some believe it is, but I’ve yet to see any major effort to reach out to those affected by 9/11, for instance.

  10. The day when Islam becomes a religion of peace 2 things must of happened or will have to occur…

    1) The whole world will become either deaf or blind to the fact and no one will notice that the majority of “terroist’s” in the world just so happens to be guess who ?, Yeap Muslims…
    Sad but they out-weigh the good intending Muslims who respect other people in my opinion. Another sad thing is the only good Muslims we hear about are the ones only in Country’s where their is actually something called FREEDOM! [ religious & all included ].

    2.) For Islam to become a religion of peace, they will have to succeed and and actually wipe us all [ non Muslims ] of the face of the earth and we will become extinct like the poor dino’s. Then claim victory in their jihad & no one will be the wise…

    DaveScot – Sure, put me down on that rifle i’ll buy it but on only 1 condition that you make sure that the warranty will be guaranteed and be SUPPORTED by the French because im a U.S. citizen / resident…

    jasonng: ” I agree that Islamic leaders should be making an effort to show that their religion is not one of war, they haven’t done much to convince people of that. I would like to believe that Islam is as peaceful as some believe it is, but I’ve yet to see any major effort to reach out to those affected by 9/11, for instance. ”

    - Never going to happen, never has, never will or ever will be [ read meh lips every1 NEVER NEVER NEVER]. The only exception in my book is the peace loving Muslims in democratic country’s like ours and those who follow a similar governance. Unfortunately country’s like those i would count as a minority in the “whole Muslim world”.

    Charlie

  11. Islam is a cancer growing on the planet. It needs to be killed not accomodated. It’s an ugly, dysfunctional belief system even in milder forms, that subjugates the female half of the population. However, since we can’t just kill them all (we can kill the worst offenders though) we have to put a more attractive alternative in place. The more attractive alternative is democracy. Islam can’t survive in democracies for long. It won’t go down without a fight so there must be some bloodshed before it’s a closed chapter in history.

    Neurode

    Care to attach a name to those “multicultural regions” you say you’ve lived in?

  12. That’s a strong assessment, DaveScot. I would be careful not to vent too much. There could be muslims on this thread. We want to encourage them and make them feel aware, not polarize them.

  13. “The only exception in my book is the peace loving Muslims in democratic country’s like ours and those who follow a similar governance”

    Let me kill two birds here. Somebody asked me about multicultural areas in or near which I’ve lived in the U.S. They include Hell-A, south Florida, and a couple of smaller towns with heavy migrant labor populations. But perhaps the worst was the NY metro region, where disgruntled ethnics tend to be coddled due to the local political climate.

    It’s a little-known fact that after 9/11, “peace-loving” American Muslims hit the streets of Brooklyn to howl, hoot and rejoice at our national expense. “Death to America!” they joyously screeched. “Death to Jews!” They obviously expected to get away with it due to “strange” American laws protecting their religious freedom, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, et cetera…laws that do not exist in the countries and culture to which they are actually loyal.

    But they were wrong. Aroused by the noise, a large group of indignant non-Muslims, Americans and Brooklynites to the bone, emerged and pounded several of them to a consistency approaching that of strawberry jam, which led to police intervention and a general dispersal.

    Beyond a certain point, intra-national multiculturalism is a bad idea. The reasons are obvious enough. Human nature inevitably leads to inequitable concentrations of wealth and power regardless of the system of government in place. This becomes a source of social stress, whence society comes to resemble a rock in a tightening vise. A solid rock, free of hairline fractures along its class divisions, can withstand a good amount of pressure. But cultural boundaries within society are like big, visible cracks in the rock, and when the pressure rises, the rock shatters. We’ve seen it happen here and in many other parts of the world throughout recorded history, and it will not cease to happen just because “multiculturalism” sounds pretty rolling off the tongues of sociologists, lawyers and politicians.

    To put it in a nutshell, multiculturalism is an oxymoron. Cultures are coherent social environments, whereas collections of microcultures are not; they decohere along the boundaries. The (predominantly Christian) Founding Fathers no doubt understood this; that’s why they stayed away from words and phrases like “diversity”, “multiculturalism” and “melting pot”. On the other hand, those who have used those words and phrases to set and maintain the American multiculturalist agenda may well be the worst thing that ever happened to this country, and at this point, it may be too late to undo their ongoing attacks on our cultural integrity. This problem shows every sign of getting worse by the day, and unfortunately, turning the other cheek only seems to accelerate it.

    I’ll stand up for anyone’s human rights regardless of race or creed. But I also believe that if you come to live in this country, you need to do so with the sincere intention of assimilating into mainstream American culture, learning and speaking the English language, and giving one’s full national loyalty to the United States of America. To my way of looking at it, those who view America as nothing more than a place to get money while lopsidedly pursuing the interests of their own ethnic or religious groups, even to the point of open demographic warfare, belong somewhere else.

  14. “I’ll stand up for anyone’s human rights regardless of race or creed. But I also believe that if you come to live in this country, you need to do so with the sincere intention of assimilating into mainstream American culture, learning and speaking the English language, and giving one’s full national loyalty to the United States of America.”

    I couldn’t agree anymore. America has always been a melting pot of beliefs and ethnicities. However, in this country we speak english, and we abide by the rules. As a foreigner, myself, I love this country, and we should all respect it. Making it be the best country in the world. No one can beat that!

    God Bless, America!

    U.S.A

  15. Didn’t the French warn us about the Arab Street’s angry violence when provoked?
    Now they have their own intifada in ‘occupied territory’ for un-provoking. Ha

  16. I live in Vancouver where there’s a huge ethnic population without many major problems. I think the problem here is that some people feel detached from mainstream North American culture and they identify better with the people in their homelands, which happen to be filled with extremists. They should be allowed to celebrate their own culture and beliefs but at the same time integrated into mainstream culture (from personal experience, it’s possible).

  17. “I live in Vancouver where there’s a huge ethnic population without many major problems. I think the problem here is that some people feel detached from mainstream North American culture and they identify better with the people in their homelands…”

    Perhaps, but at least three neutral observations may be in order.

    1. Vancouver may not be under sufficient economic stress to precipitate ethnic fragmentation.

    2. Violent incidents involving ethnicity are not symmetrically reported. There are a number of reasons for this: fear of “racial profiling” accusations, the bureaucratic difficulties associated with politically-incorrect crime statistics, fear of regional economic damage from open reportage of bias incidents, and so on. Thus, the average resident of City X may have no idea what actually occurs in some of the more ethnic neighborhoods of City X.

    3. Those inhabitants of North America who most readily feel “detached from mainstream North American culture ” tend to be those (residents or immigrants) who expected the red carpet to unfurl beneath their feet, and became disgruntled when it didn’t. Instead of asking themselves whether there might not be many n>10th-generation North Americans of diverse ancestry who also do not find themselves standing on a red carpet, they focus their longing gaze on the very most fortunate people in sight, observe that most of these fortunates are from an ethnic or religious background different from their own, and deem themselves victims of “discrimination”.

    But of course, given the strict nondiscrimination laws in place here, that’s absolute nonsense. If you’re a member of an ethnic minority in the U.S., relatively few will risk discriminating against you; legally, it is now far safer to discriminate against a member of the majority. Given that the U.S. has been one of the very most immigration-friendly nations on the planet, one might reasonably infer that those ethnic groups which end up “feeling detached” from it may have come here with, or otherwise acquired, the wrong sort of attitude regarding their inherent levels of entitlement.

    I naturally agree that people “should be allowed to celebrate their own culture and beliefs but at the same time integrated into mainstream culture.” However, I disagree with you regarding the possibility of accomplishing this on a long-term basis under prevailing social and economic conditions, particularly when self-designated minorities are officially encouraged to take no responsibility for their own problems.

  18. Anyone who thinks that France lacks a national identity, or that multiculturalism is part of the French landscape, clearly doesn’t know much about France. Having lived there, I can assure you that whatever the source of France’s current problems, multiculturalism is not to blame. French opposition to racism, sexism, imperialism, etc. is rooted in the universal values of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen, not in multiculturalism. Indeed, one of the main beefs of the unemployed young Muslim men in the Parisian suburbs is that, despite being legally French, they are treated by employers and the state as if they were not.

  19. Michelle Malkin posted a story:

    “Disabled Woman Set Ablaze … A handicapped woman was doused with petrol and set on fire by youths during another night of rioting in Paris. The 56-year-old suffered third degree burns to 20% of her body in the attack. Witnesses said a youth poured petrol over the woman and then threw a Molotov cocktail on to the bus she was travelling on in the suburb of Sevran. Other passengers were able to flee but she was unable to escape because of her disabilities…”

    Ooo how I wish somebody’d try rioting down here deep in the heart of Texas. Like shooting ducks in a barrel. Fun. The miscreants, en masse, would soon “feel detatched.” Oh yes. As their souls detatched from their bodies.

  20. “1. Vancouver may not be under sufficient economic stress to precipitate ethnic fragmentation.”

    We do have some ethnicity specific problems and there are some areas under economic stress but generally things are pretty good compared to other cities.

    “2. Violent incidents involving ethnicity are not symmetrically reported.”

    Actually the opposite is true, the ethnicity of the criminal/victim is often listed in the headlines. When we hear about an ethnic crime the media makes an effort to let us know it’s an ethnic crime.

    “Given that the U.S. has been one of the very most immigration-friendly nations on the planet, one might reasonably infer that those ethnic groups which end up “feeling detached” from it may have come here with, or otherwise acquired, the wrong sort of attitude regarding their inherent levels of entitlement.”

    In Canada and I suppose in the U.S. as well, one major problem is foreign credentials are not being recognized. Now obviously immigrants shouldn’t expected to be treated like pompous royals but it’s equally ridiculous that people with doctorates from India have to drive taxis because they can’t get a job here.

    “However, I disagree with you regarding the possibility of accomplishing this on a long-term basis under prevailing social and economic conditions, particularly when self-designated minorities are officially encouraged to take no responsibility for their own problems.”

    I agree that minorities which experience more problems than mainstream society should take responsibility to correct them, particularly in the case of extremist Muslims and their mainstream counterparts.

  21. bwogilvie: “Indeed, one of the main beefs of the unemployed young Muslim men in the Parisian suburbs is that, despite being legally French, they are treated by employers and the state as if they were not.”

    That’s apparently because they’ve resisted assimilation into mainstream French culture despite being granted legal recognition as Frenchmen. On the basis of physical appearance, many of them could easily pass as French merely by making an effort to look, sound, and act French; instead, they cling defiantly to their ethnic identity even after promising France their loyalty in return for citizenship.

    To throw open the doors of one’s homeland to immigrants whose alien ideology holds European culture in contempt, and expressly forbids their assimilation by it, is a surefire recipe for exactly the kind of social unrest that France is now experiencing. It seems that the great nation of France has been selling its precious citizenship a bit too cheaply.

    jasonng: “Actually the opposite is true, the ethnicity of the criminal/victim is often listed in the headlines. When we hear about an ethnic crime the media makes an effort to let us know it’s an ethnic crime.”

    Maybe in Vancouver. However, in many other parts of the country, bias crimes are only reported when the victim belongs to some “minority” population to which the perpetrator does not belong. Crimes in which members of the majority are victimized by members of a minority occur too frequently to be considered newsworthy by the media.

  22. “We want to encourage them and make them feel aware, not polarize them.”

    Who’s “we”, Benjii? Maybe you should speak for yourself. I’m not interested in encouraging Islam anymore than I’m interested in encouraging satanism or skinheads.

  23. A cool link about What Islam /its clamis and so on is all bout , worth a check i say but a bit of a read tho…

    http://answer-islam.org/ShowLetter.htm

    Charlie

  24. The problem of course is that people don’t know WHO is the enemy. As long as they fight with the “sent ones” (that is, the ones the enemy sends, not the enemy himself) we will waste ourselves, and achieve nothing.

    Islam is just ONE of the many weapons used for the destruction of mankind. Not only that, but the Muslims are the very first victims of this belief system.

  25. “Who’s “we”, Benjii? Maybe you should speak for yourself. I’m not interested in encouraging Islam anymore than I’m interested in encouraging satanism or skinheads.”

    I wasn’t encouraging Islam. I was just saying that we should promote public awareness about Islam and it’s tolerance for violence against infidels. DaveScot, you are really insubordinate on these matters. I would expect more decency and sophistication from you.

  26. 26

    It really hurts to read such negative comments about my religion from people I thought to be civilized.
    Dave says we are extremist, yet he calls 1.5 billion women, men, and childeren cancer and wants to eradicate them.
    I really wonder whose being extreme here.

    Anyways, I’m here to notify you that if you truly want to learn about islam, learn from the source and not from some
    biased and anti-islamic site like “answering-islam”.

    You can read the Quran from here :
    http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/

    or you can read some introduction about Islam from here:

    http://www.harunyahya.com/c_introduction_islam.php
    http://www.islamonline.net/eng.....ndex.shtml

    I’m a devout muslim , and love my religion, and I respect your religion and beliefs.
    It was kind of a shock to find such statements in this thread, In a blog that I believed to have civilized and educated
    people.

  27. 27

    Oh and one more thing, about Dave’s comment that Islam cannot live in a democracy, I’m not sure where
    he came with such a claim, but let us examine some empirical data.

    In Algeria when democracy was seriously being considered and implemented, the Islamic party won by a very big
    margin, France didn’t like that thus the secular army of Algeria came and removed them from power, and the madness
    of destroying the image of Islam in Algeria began.

    The other case is Turkey, whenever there is a clean election the Islamic party always win, and by a big margin.
    Today’s ruling party of Turkey is an Islamic ruling party and Ordogan (the prime minister) is a devout Muslim, and
    his wife wears the hijab.

    Now the rest of the Arab and Islamic countries have no democracy and is mostly ruled by megalomaniac tyrants that have been positioned here and supported by the west (etc. Saddam in the 80′s) after colonizing it.
    In fact the reason democracy is not widespread in the middle east is because the west know very well that Islamic oriented parties will definitely win and unite to create the ne Khilafa, and thus they will never truly support democracy in the middle east.

    That is the current dilemma of the west, if they support tyrants they will create extreme situations the result in extremist (bin laden, etc..), and if they support democracies an Islamic state will surly rise. An Islamic state that controls most of the world oil resources, and can become quite powerful creating a new world power (like Ottoman empire, and the Islamic empires before them)

    Moreover, this conclusion is not mine but is pretty much the CIA and other western thinkers conclusion.

    Anyway, what I wanted to state is that this is a very complicated subject that numerous books and journals have written about some are objective and most are subjective. If you want to truly find a solution to Islam as you say Mr. Dave your have to understand it and understand our point of view. Otherwise, you will waste your precious time and ours, creating hate and negative feelings among fellow human beings.

    Best Regards.

  28. Benjii, if Nazis were respectful to their parents would you be out promoting public awareness about it? Islam is a disease that has no place in the civilized world. That’s the only public awareness I’m interested in promoting. I really don’t care at all if that’s what you expect of me or not. I expect you to be a little less naive but we don’t always get what we expect.

  29. 29

    Hmm.. am I the only one who can read my post, or is Mr. Dave simply blinded by hate ?
    If this is the kind of civilized world Mr. Dave is promoting (prejudice,hate,insults and misunderstanding)
    then I thank God Islam is not part of it.

    Best Regards,

    P.S: I won’t be reviewing this thread anymore, If anyone wants a rational and constructive dialouge about Islam you
    can email mail me at [email protected]

  30. It seems I rattled Gary Hurd’s chain a good one:

    http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ust_k.html

    Pushing the buttons of excitable liberals like Gary is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Oh gosh, there I go with more violent analogies talking about gunning down poor little fishies…

    ROFLMAO

    Don’t ever change, Gary. Without you the world would be a much less entertaining place.

  31. By the way, Gary, there’s only 1 “t” in Scot. I don’t misspell my own name and you aren’t prescient enough to know it even if I did, dummy.

  32. I wonder if Gary approves of Muslim culture treating women like chattel?

    Please clarify, Gary. Is that okay with you? I say it’s sick (diseased) and has no place in the civilized world and should be treated like any other disease. We don’t try to co-exist with diseases out of a misplaced sense of tolerance, we attempt to eradicate them out of a desire to make a better world.

    Get a clue, Hurd.

  33. Pat Hayes on RedStateRabble blog

    http://redstaterabble.blogspot.....scist.html

    Pat’s profile says he has two children. I wonder if either of them are female how he’d care for them being denied an education, made to wear a burka in public, and generally owned like animals by decree male Islamic clerics.

    Pipe up, Pat. Lets hear it. Explain to me how Islam is a good thing that deserves tolerance instead of contempt.

  34. neurode wrote: “instead, they cling defiantly to their ethnic identity even after promising France their loyalty in return for citizenship.”

    A number of studies have shown that French employers will often turn down job applications from immigrants or their second- and third-generation children, even if they are equally or more qualified than a “franco-French” applicant. Radicalization is, in some cases, an effect of racism. Some French civil rights groups have proposed that employers use “blind” resumés, with the applicant’s name and identifying info removed and replaced with an ID code before initial screening, to counter this problem. The French, as a whole, are much less willing to talk about race than Americans because of the prevailing ideology that race doesn’t matter. (The French census does not ask any questions about ethnic or religious affiliation.)

    And many of the young men who are protesting never promised France anything: they were born in France, they have been French all their lives, yet they are often treated by the state, potential employers, and other French people as if they were not “real” French. (Hence the term “franco-French” that is all to frequently used by ultranationalists to distinguish themselves–or those they imagine to be like themselves–from immigrants and their descendants.) In other cases, Africans who showed real loyalty to France, like the Senegalese infantrymen who fought for the Free French during WWII, or the harkis who fought for France during the Algerian war, have seen their loyalty rewarded by neglect or contempt; that sends a powerful message to younger men about how French they really are, in the state’s eyes.

    I don’t condone the rioting that’s going on now. But I do wish that before commenting on it, people would take the time to actually learn something about the specifics of the case, and not fall back on simple ideological positions and stale jokes.

    By the way, the same argument you are making about Muslims in contemporary France was made in the US in the 19th century about Irish immigrants. They refused to integrate, they clung to their ethnic (and religious) identity, they were loyal to Rome not the US, etc. Good thing they got rid of their separate religion, celebrations, and ethnic identity, or this country would have collapsed before 1900.

  35. “By the way, the same argument you are making about Muslims in contemporary France was made in the US in the 19th century about Irish immigrants.”

    Are you arguing that the Irish undertook a nationwide campaign of racial violence analogous to what is currently happening in France? I certainly hope not. It may have taken a generation or two, but the Irish did manage to assimilate, and did so admirably.

    In contrast, we see (by your own admission) that large numbers of second and third-generation African immigrants are engaging in the current rash of internecine criminal activity now tearing France asunder. Furthermore, we know that their religion, Islam, encourages non-assimilation to foreign cultures, and even the forcible conversion of “infidels” both at home and abroad.

    You do understand, don’t you, that the two situations are very, very different?

  36. neurode wrote: “Are you arguing that the Irish undertook a nationwide campaign of racial violence analogous to what is currently happening in France?”

    Yes. The (Irish) Draft Riots during the Civil War were far more violent than the current (terrible) riots in France.

    http://www.civilwarhome.com/draftriots.htm

    If you think you’ve never heard of them, perhaps you’ve seen “Gangs of New York,” where they are a fairly crucial part of the plot.

    This is what always happens when an unintegrated, jobless minority population is stretched to the breaking point. It has basically nothing to do with Muslims or West Africans in particular. In fact Muslim leaders have issued fatwas against the rioting.

  37. Cognitive_flux,

    You have been trained as ever to defend the foundation of Islam while trying dishonestly to say that the extremists don’t stand on it. You imply that it is the WEST that creates Megalomaniac dictators, not Islam, citing your only example as Saddam Hussein. What would you say considering the words of President Ahmadinejad of Iran while reiterating the what the mad Imam Khomeini about “wiping Israel off the map“? Is this what we can expect from an Islamic Republic? Absolutely. What about the fact that over 50,000 copies of Mein Kampf were sold in Turkey in the first 3 months of 2005? What do you think this says about Islamic Turkey, which still denies its ethnic cleansing against the Armenians in which 1.5 million Armenians were slain between 1915 and 1923. Ottoman Turkey, July 13, 1915: The Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins. During the whole month the greatest concentration and universalization of massacring and murdering (of ethnic Armenians) occur in every province of Turkey.

    I won’t even go into the Barbary Coast pirates, or even bother bringing up Dhimmitude.

    And what of your false prophet and founder Mohommed? Do you denounce his murderous, blood-lust filled actions as well? Do you DARE? … no, you don’t. And that’s the problem with you dishonest, peace-loving “moderate muslims”. You are simply chattel, literally human shields, for the core overlords of Islam. I say reject your false, murderous relgion/cult and walk into the light of Truth, if you care to seek it.

    And then you have the gall to complain about Colonial practices! My God man! Do you know nothing of the history of

  38. Cognitive Flux

    Did women get to vote freely and without fear of punishment in those elections where Islamofacists won the popular vote?

    Get a clue, misogynist. Islam is a pox on the civilized world.

  39. By the way, a delightful woman named Mona is waging a nearly single handed battle against the the misogynist apologistas at Panda’s Thumb. Damn, what a woman! And an agnostic too. I border on infatuation…

    Anywho, since I’m banned at the Epitomy of Hypocriticality (Panda’s Thumb) it would be nice if some of y’all besides Neurode (who is by some miracle not banned there yet) would go over and give Mona some support. She deserves it.

    http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ust_k.html

  40. Whew! 112 comments in 8 hours.

    I think that might be a record at Panda’s Pathetic Pollex (tip o’ the hat to Professor Emeritus of Biology John A. Davison for coining “Panda’s Pathetic Pollex”).

    Join the fun!

    http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ust_k.html

  41. wow. i knew the folks at PT were, in general, hate-filled fools…but this sort of thing takes the cake. bill merely pasted a quote from another blog, and that quote never called for murder, it never called deportation or anything even remotely similar.

    yet, this Gary, claims bill made a fascist post. ive no idea how he came to this conclusion, and whats worse, he attacks me in the post as someone who is calling for the murder or muslims, yet anyone with a brain can see the post here and realize my SOLE comment said nothing of the sort. in fact, i made no comments on the situation at all…my only comment was in reply to someone who said they were selling a French rifle and it had only been dropped once:

    ““It’s never been fired and only been dropped once”

    lol. nice.”

    i laughed at a french joke, and now im accused of calling for the murder of people? ive got a feeling gary isnt playing with a full deck. like most of the other hate-filled posts at PT, this one is no different. not shocked one bit.

  42. btw- i see he also attacks bill and says that because he hasnt deleted all the comments, he, himself, is preaching hate. guilt by association. now, ive proven this gary as a bald faced liar, so can we now discount everything posted to PT since he posts to the site?

    they have many posts by nick matske as well, and as ive mentioned before- this guy couldnt be honest if he had to. doesnt pz ‘anti-christian bigot’ myers contribute to the site as well?

  43. Awww shucks, Gary Hurdd closed down the comments as soon as youse guys started in on it.

    I guess Gary Hurdd is following the sage advice “if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen”.

    Or something like that. I love yanking their chains.

  44. Incredible. Gart Hurdd is now blithering about murder being sanctioned on Dembski’s blog. Presumably I’m the one that proposed murder. Is Gary Hurrd soft in the head or a lying sack of shite? Those are the only two options. Killing and murder are not the same things.

    Ann Coulter wrote “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/091301.htm This is advocating war, not murder, though pathetic pacifist pikers like Gerry Hurd don’t seem able to tell the difference. I also wrote that Islam can’t survive in democracies. I’m not at all worried about Islam in the United States because the law allows Muslim women to vote and their misogynist masters will be worshipping Allah from a prison cell should they try to interfere with any woman’s right to vote, command what she can wear, what she can learn, who she can learn it from, or similar crap from their so-called scriptures. This of course doesn’t address the many, many millions of women forced to live as chattel in many Muslim countries around the world. I do not respect their right to treat half the human population this way and I will advocate war as necessary to stop it. Gary Hurt can kiss my militaristic American ass if he has a problem with that. Got it, Gary?

  45. Hmmmm… Gary Hurd says he’s legally responsible for the content of that thread. Be that as it may he’s certainly responsible for his own libelous remarks such as:

    Says Hurd:

    http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ment-55553

    “If not for the fact that Dembski deletes every post even slightly critical of positions he holds closely, I would have disagreed with Pat broadly. However, even in the trivially exposed instance of Shallit’s deposition, we see that Dembski is hyper-vigilant. When noxious exertions to murder are left without response, the become defacto postions of the site. This is an unavoidable consequence of Dembski’s prior behavior.”

    http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ment-55707

    (Note, any advocation of murders such as those tolerated on Dembski’s blog will be deleted by me, and I wil try to have the offending individual blocked from all further communication with PT).

  46. Gary Hurd equates the actions of the United States to (it’s Al Qaida, dummy, not the Taliban) the video-taped beheadings of westerners done by Al Qaida in Iraq. Incredible.

    http://www.pandasthumb.org/arc.....ment-55709

    Hurd sickly says:

    In today’s LA Times, the honest description of a “gud ol’ nigger killin’ all legal like was described in surprisingly honest fashion,

    ‘Save me, Joe Louis!’ wrote:

    “THE EXECUTIONER pulled a string, and potassium cyanide pellets fell into the acid. Whitish-gray smoke — hydrocyanic acid — quickly enveloped Foster. He opened his mouth and inhaled what one death row veteran, W.T. Bost of the Raleigh Daily News, called “concentrated hell.” When Foster exhaled, it looked as if he were smoking a cigarette. Then he inhaled again. “Merciful minded watchers thought he was gone,” wrote Bost; instead, “he hadn’t started.” Two minutes and a dozen whiffs later, he was still talking, still saying something.

    More time passed. Foster’s head dropped, his eyes bulged, his body convulsed, and still, he attempted to talk. In all, 10 more minutes came and went, 10 minutes of breaths deep and shallow, of writhing and retching and lurching violently, his eyes rolling grotesquely all the while. For a time, the doctors on hand debated whether to go back into the chamber and put more pellets in the dish. “And still,” Bost wrote, “that stout heart beat away.” Surely, he speculated, there was a use to which courage so extraordinary could be put. Only after 12 minutes was the inmate finally pronounced dead.

    19 year old Allen Foster’s crime? – a Black accused of assaulting a White woman. Sadly Mona, the Taliban have no “advantage” on us for brutal killing under the guise of law, just maybe a better camera.

    So Gary, Al Qaida cowards wearing masks, themselves foreigners in Iraq, beheading foreign aid workers, foreign truck drivers, Jewish reporters, with long slow strokes of a butcher knife, broadcasting this around the world on video are just “freedom fighters” are not doing anything that George Bush wouldn’t do. Is that about the gist of what you want to tell us all you sick f*ck? Don’t beat around the Bush (pun intended), Gary, tell us what you really think. At least be an honest traitor. Ya got the balls for that?

  47. The gavel has fallen. This thread is closed. –WmAD

  48. What despicable liar Gary Hurd fails to quote in his treasonous attempt to equate Americans and Al Qaida above:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/pr.....ws-comment

    Foster wasn’t accused of assaulting a woman, he was *convicted* of raping a woman at knifepoint in 1936.

    Foster’s execution, the first performed by lethal gas, was evidently botched. The witnesses were horrified, and it was never repeated.

    Compare this to hooded (afraid to let the world know their identities – cowards of Allah apparently) Al Qaida mercenaries in Iraq slowly sawing the heads off of innocent aid workers, civilian truck drivers, journalists, and other non-combatants, one after another, not horrified but glorying in this ritual Islamic execution, taping it for posterity, and releasing the video tape to the world.

    Gary Hurd, the sick liar, would have you believe the acts of Al Qaida are somehow equitable with the execution of Allen Foster 50 years ago.

    Explain yourself, Hurd. You owe us all an explanation. Either that or check into a mental hospital and get some help.