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Ties with anti-Semitic Troother show that the Darwin lobby is failing

This book suggests how Fetzer and the Darwin lobby met up in the first place. It should have just ended there.

Here, we discussed the role of a conspiracy theorist in the Synthese affair: Darwin lobby gets hold of philosophy journal’s guest edited edition and slimes various profs; offending articles disowned. Yes, it’s true. The Darwin lobby was relying on an anti-Semitic 9-11 Troother. Does the self-righteous high school biology teacher who defends their activities at your local school know this fact? Wanna be the one to tell her?

Put it to her this way: What you think about biology may be right. But those people are not what you think they are.

Anyway, over at Evolution News & Views, David Klinghoffer formally asks National Center for Science Education to renounce that stuff:

People who trade in contentious ideas, advocating and defending them before the public, are well advised to be careful about what kind of other people they join with in partnership. The other day I mentioned briefly the interesting datum that National Center for Science Education Deputy Director Glenn Branch had co-edited a now notorious issue of Synthese on “Evolution and Its Rivals” with a leading 9/11 Truther, University of Minnesota professor emeritus James H. Fetzer.

When William Buckley founded National Review he made a famous and wise ruling that no writer could appear in the pages of NR if that same writer also appeared in the pages of another, then-existing conservative magazine, The American Mercury. Why? Because the other journal promoted vile anti-Semitic nonsense. Buckley judged that if his magazine wanted to have any credibility, he’d have to draw a bright line separating anyone associated with him from anyone associated with the fever swamp.

I’d like to ask Glenn Branch of the National Center for Science Education, and his colleagues Eugenie Scott, Executive Director, and Josh Rosenau, why they do not feel inclined to adopt a similar policy?

We wonder what their excuse will be for ignoring the suggestion?

Surely, the point is: The Darwin lobby’s social power is weakening after a string of defeats of their efforts at censorship. They now find their allies where they can. Fetzer can’t be fired from “emeritus,” as far as we know, so he’s free to be malignantly nuts at an exalted social position. But why would anyone ally with him if they had better associates … ?

The Darwin lobby will not, in the end, stop a serious discussion of the merits – or lack thereof – of Darwinism as a central theory in science.

This fact makes the position of the Christian Darwinist all the harder to fathom.

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11 Responses to Ties with anti-Semitic Troother show that the Darwin lobby is failing

  1. The Darwin lobby will not, in the end, stop a serious discussion of the merits – or lack thereof – of Darwinism as a central theory in science.

    WILL NOT or CAN NOT?

  2. Just thought I would let everyone here know that it is possible to be a 9/11 Truther without being anti-Semitic.

  3. Bilbo as I wrote on the pertinent thread at TT, it is possible to be a troofer without being anti-Semitic, it’s just that the troofer movement is overflowing with anti-Semites from the far Right, the far Left and within extremist Muslim communities. Maybe this should be a cause for pause and reflection re 9-11 conspiracy as a whole.

  4. “Surely, the point is: The Darwin lobby’s social power is weakening after a string of defeats of their efforts at censorship. They now find their allies where they can. Fetzer can’t be fired from “emeritus,” as far as we know, so he’s free to be malignantly nuts at an exalted social position. But why would anyone ally with him if they had better associates … ?”

    I actually somewhat disagree with this assessment, even though there is nobody alive more harshly dismissive of 9-11 fruitloopery than myself. I think it just that the mainstream political discourse has become so poisoned by paranoia, fury and rage and muddled non-thinking, that 9-11 conspiracy is no longer considered beyond the pale even if it remains outside of mainstream discourse. Any more than anti-Semitism is no longer considered beyond the pale, even the most extreme anti-Semitism (like Fetzer’s). It’s now shockingly mainstream.

    Btw as an IDist myself, I have to remark that I don’t think IDists occupy a moral high ground. To outsiders looking into the debate for the first time, such a stance comes across as self-righteous and holier-than-thou. It also doesn’t bear up to scrutiny.

  5. It most certainly is possible, Bilbo, but Troothing was handy for anti-Semites, so they camped on it.

  6. zephyr, who says ID types occupy a high moral ground? How high does the moral ground have to be, to have no voluntary dealings with known anti-Semites? We’re not great, but we’d hate to think the bar was set THAT low.

  7. I know nothing about troothers or 9/11 conspiracy’s however i do know the fact or spirit of censorship.
    i am a creationist but also a Evangelical conservative and KNOW how the left etc censors and creates a spirit or culture of censorship.

    This , I suggest, should be shunned by all free men in free nations.

    The good guys always need freedom of speech in earth history.
    to agree with banning or distancing or anything is just HERE WE GO AGAIN with the fear or resentment at peoples ideas reaching or possibly reaching the public.

    By the way I used to love national review and dropped it because of the Jewish influence and general interference with conservatism. It ruined the fun.

    I don’t know this other magazine but got a hunch it was a early victim of censorship that has today become the rule in the establishment.

    Accusations are worth only what is proven.

    In a free nation false accusation will fail early or later in the public arena.

    Censorship slows down the truth more then stops untruth.

    ID and YEC want to EXPELL folks for unrelated issues.
    Say it ain’t so?!

  8. Denyse, I take your point.

    Robert people across the political spectrum are guilty of censorship. That is, how open is anybody to any information that runs counter and genuinely threatens their belief system – whether those beliefs be political, religious or philosophical, economic, scientific? It’s just that different information is censored or brushed aside by different groups.

  9. Hi Zephyr,

    When over 1500 architects and engineers reject the official explanation for the collapse of WTC1,2, and 7, I think we should at least be willing to listen to why they do so. And since ae911truth.org doesn’t try to blame Jews or Israel (or anybody, for that matter), I don’t mind advertising for them. But there are 9/11 websites that I don’t advertise for, and one that is on the cusp.

  10. Zephyr, Why does it matter if someone is an anti-semite? Inside their mind they don’t like Jews. Who cares what happens inside someone’s mind? You don’t have to be afraid of Jews getting hurt, they own all major media and the Jewish lobby is huge, so no worries bro. But does that give you pause? Why would you view information through a filter of someone else’s viewpoint, and then through an additional filter of their dis-related beliefs? I don’t understand how that double filter should you pause on viewing information.

    9/11 obviously had some agencies involvement from somewhere. Joking around (I mean stepping down son) is the only rebuttal allowed to that and you know that. If I don’t like Mossad or the ADL then I’m anti-semitic? Do you know who runs the palestinians? Mossad and further back, MI6 most likely. Hmmm, why would they do that?

    Do you guys that accept these juvenile scripts understand the upper level controllers make them ridiculous on purpose to throw the intelligensia into apathy about waking people up, because all they see is the sheep eating it up? Seriously, you’re not even playing checkers. Who are you trying to please so badly? Please read Self Reliance by Emerson.

  11. Your right.
    I find my that its very less among the identities and politics of what is generally called conservatives.
    In North America we have a long and successful history of progress coming from free speech and a history of putting up with speech that frustrates progress.

    We are better. We are true believers in free speech because we believe truth seeking must be allowed freedom of speech.
    Therefore we must put up with what we don’t like or even imagine is dangerous.

    its truth and justice that is the justification for free speech and not some vague idea people should have free speech.

    We do not have free speech in our father’s home.
    In a nation however its all our home together.

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