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Really messy piefight: The New Atheists vs. the Jesus Loves Darwin poppets

cherry pieFight card here.

Basically, as David Anderson at creation.com tells it – and we did notice (April 25) the frequent fruit splats here too …,

Recently, a public dispute broke out between two different ‘camps’ of atheists on the Internet. It was not very edifying, but it was illuminating. It illustrated some of the ‘fault-lines’ that run through today’s atheist movements.

Fault between

1. The New/Gnu Atheists (Dawkins, Coyne, and Myers come to mind, for some reason)

They believe that science proves atheism, and that all religious or supernatural beliefs are anti-scientific. More than that, they believe that religion is positively evil and dangerous, and that the future progress of humanity requires a serious effort to eradicate religion.

vs.

2. Jesus Loves Darwin poppets

… the NCSE/BCSE do not leave religion out of their work. Instead, they positively look to recruit religious figures. These religious figures will help to persuade onlookers that they are not really a wing of the atheist movement; that they are even religiously neutral. Not being seen as religiously neutral would be a particular problem for the NCSE, whose campaigns are built on the premise that any questioning of Darwinism is motivated by religion, and that religion is effectively banned from US public schools by common interpretations of the US Constitution.

Anderson suggests: “As Christians, it is biblical to pray that God will bring our enemies into confusion, and God answers such prayers.”

Maybe so, but:

Advice from UD News: With popcorn, this show could be way fun. More popcorn, plenty pillows, plenty cold pop …

Really excellent UD solution: Both groups lose?

Question: Will the Christian Darwinists try to help the Jesus loves Darwinists (but I don’t love Jesus) gang?

Shoutout to Ellazimm at 1 below: Most of us wouldn’t care either, and pillows are recommended for a reason, while watching this one.

Except for this: The Jesus Loves Darwin poppets are such endearing little creatures that their hit pieces on scholars ended up in the New York Times – and not in the Entertainment pages. And let’s not forget the NCSE pursuit of astronomer Martin Gaskell, which cost his university $125k in settlement to him plus legal fees. Funnily enough, Frank Beckwith was not an ID supporter and Martin Gaskell was only mildly interested. It’s occurred to some, heaven knows why, that the scholarly and science community would be better off without these people.

And what about the New Atheists (Gnu Atheists is the title some prefer)? Well, Myers recently told a rabbi to ” [read it yourself] off”. And at the very time that his science work was being questioned in a scholarly journal, Jerry Coyne, culturally Jewish, was raising hoo haw about … the teachings of the Catholic Church! Amazingly, some people have found that they can get by without this crowd too.

So if they all get together and throw pies at each other, well … we’d far rather watch the municipal fireworks instead, but you can’t get fireworks every day of the year in most locations.

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3 Responses to Really messy piefight: The New Atheists vs. the Jesus Loves Darwin poppets

  1. Just for the sake of being honest . . . while I don’t agree with all the characterisations in the above post I have to say that generally I agree: the infighting is kind of amusing. I hear about it but I don’t follow it closely. I don’t care that much.

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    “the future progress of humanity requires a serious effort to eradicate religion”

    Ahh, wasn’t Meyers who said he didn’t want to remove the Jesus people from their churchs? He just wanted it to be more like sewing class, right?

    “These religious figures will help to persuade onlookers that they are not really a wing of the atheist movement; that they are even religiously neutral.”

    Eugenie must be getting her ideas from Barbara’s book, no? Giddyup!

    “As Christians, it is biblical to pray that God will bring our enemies into confusion, and God answers such prayers.”

    Let’s let God decide who are enemies are for a change. He might not need our help.

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    Good one, UB. “Pray for your enemies, bless those that curse you.”

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