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The folk at Nature’s blog appear so anxious to get people to believe Darwinism dunit that some have resorted to making statements about the history of Christianity and science that are actually true. Get a load of this, from James Hannam, “Science owes much to both Christianity and the Middle Ages” (May 18, 2011):

Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research. Starting in the Middle Ages, it paid for priests, monks and friars to study at the universities. The church even insisted that science and mathematics should be a compulsory part of the syllabus. And after some debate, it accepted that Greek and Arabic natural philosophy were essential tools for defending the faith. By the seventeenth century, the Jesuit order had become the leading scientific organisation in Europe, publishing thousands of papers and spreading new discoveries around the world. The cathedrals themselves were designed to double up as astronomical observatories to allow ever more accurate determination of the calendar. And of course, modern genetics was founded by a future abbot growing peas in the monastic garden. 

Stunner. But it turns out that all these honest admissions are in the service of explaining that “creationism” is the problem between “science” and “religion.” And “the award of the Templeton Prize to Lord Rees is a small step in the right direction.”

A small step in the right direction? Awarding the Templeton to a multiverse advocate who thinks we might be living in a giant sim?

These folks just don’t get it, do they?

When people think Darwin doubters are stupid, they can’t help treating us that way, even when they are trying not to. To the extent that we are in fact the heirs of real science, we will not fall for evolutionary psychology, multiverses, and giant sims. And that is how people will know who we are.

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",, Unfortunately their ‘small step’ in the ‘right direction’ of endorsing the multiverse and/or the giant sim, is actually a ‘gigantic leap’ in the ‘wrong direction’. A leap back into the dark ages of irrationality;" I think it is a good thing to force the so-called atheists to retreat into irrationality as the only safe means to preserve their God-denial. I think it is a good thing that they be *seen* to prefer illogic and irrationality to the simple admission that God is.Ilion
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"Tim O’Neill ... it’s refreshing to find an atheist who is genuinely fair and objective and actually employs reason." For the most part, in most things touching on "religion," he is, especially when contrasted with the behavior of most self-identifying atheists. However, when it comes to the heart of the matter, which is critically examining the question of God's reality (or, alternately, atheism's truth), he's as closed minded as every other 'atheist' ... and a certain Old Salt.Ilion
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Here are some comments from a well informed atheist named Tim O’Neill that are worth noting:
…what Hannam does in his (academically aclaimed) book is synthesise the work of the modern historians of early science and present it in a popularly accessible form - something which is long overdue. Works such as David C Lindberg The Beginnings of Western Science, or God and Reason in the Middle Ages and The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages by Edward Grant are superb pieces of scholarship by the leaders in the field, but they are also dense academic monographs rarely read by non-specialists. Hannam's book has made the work done by the leading academics more accessible to the general reader. Some general readers seem to rather like the comfort of the old myths, however, because they appeal to some deeply ingrained prejudices. As an atheist myself, I often find myself coming up against people on atheist forums who insist that the Medieval church banned human dissection, taught the earth was flat and burned anyone who speculated about the physical world. When I give them detailed evidence to show all this is wrong, many, to their credit, change their minds and go do some proper up-to-date research. Others however don't seem to want to have their minds changed. With some so-called "New Atheists" we seem in danger of a new form of ignorant fundamentalism forming. It's a worrying trend.
http://blogs.nature.com/soapbox_science/2011/05/18/science-owes-much-to-both-christianity-and-the-middle-ages#comment-68178 Tim O’Neill… another Bradley Monton? Whatever, it’s refreshing to find an atheist who is genuinely fair and objective and actually employs reason.john_a_designer
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Well at least they now recognize that modern science owes its origins to Theism and in a majority of cases Christian Theism in particular; Dr. Meyer on the Christian History of Science - video http://www.thetruthproject.org/about/culturefocus/A000000287.cfm Founders of Modern Science Who Believe in GOD - Tihomir Dimitrov http://www.scigod.com/index.php/sgj/article/viewFile/18/18 Christianity Gave Birth To Each Scientific Discipline - Dr. Henry Fritz Schaefer - video http://vimeo.com/16523153 ,, Unfortunately their 'small step' in the 'right direction' of endorsing the multiverse and/or the giant sim, is actually a 'gigantic leap' in the 'wrong direction'. A leap back into the dark ages of irrationality; Dr. Bruce Gordon - The Absurdity Of The Multiverse & Materialism in General - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5318486/ further note: ,,, 'And if your curious about how Genesis 1, in particular, fairs. Hey, we look at the Days in Genesis as being long time periods, which is what they must be if you read the Bible consistently, and the Bible scores 4 for 4 in Initial Conditions and 10 for 10 on the Creation Events' Hugh Ross - Evidence For Intelligent Design Is Everywhere; Hugh Ross - Evidence For Intelligent Design Is Everywhere (10^-1054) - video http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4347236 ---------------- Here is a step in the 'right direction'; Jeremy Camp - The Way [Official Music Video] http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=FBMCEJNUbornagain77
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"And that is how people will know who we are." We worship Truth Itself, and one cannot do that while being indifferent either to the mundane distinction between 'true' and 'not true' nor between 'logical' and 'illogical.'Ilion
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