Comments on: Science and politics: Key lessons from the stem cell controversy http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/ Serving The Intelligent Design Community Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:45:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: rna http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163947 rna Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:31:31 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163947 I would be careful in celebrating the work of Yamanaka and coworkers. They actually used human embryonic stem cells in their work. They are the controls in their experiments. And they needed these controls to characterize how far their cells derived from cheek actually resembled human embryonic stem cells in terms of gene expression patterns, surface antigens etc. ... Therefore I am afraid that their work will even enhance the interest in research on actual human embryonic stem cells to further characterize what makes a cell a genuine embryonic stem cell. Only then they will be able to further optimize their cells to resemble hES cells even more closely. I would be careful in celebrating the work of Yamanaka and coworkers.
They actually used human embryonic stem cells in their work. They are the controls in their experiments. And they needed these controls to characterize how far their cells derived from cheek actually resembled human embryonic stem cells in terms of gene expression patterns, surface antigens etc. …
Therefore I am afraid that their work will even enhance the interest in research on actual human embryonic stem cells to further characterize what makes a cell a genuine embryonic stem cell. Only then they will be able to further optimize their cells to resemble hES cells even more closely.

]]> By: tribune7 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163706 tribune7 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:42:48 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163706 <i>Ironically, the “anti-science” opposition to ESCR has led indirectly to a major advance in science.</i> That's a great point!!!! Ironically, the “anti-science” opposition to ESCR has led indirectly to a major advance in science.

That’s a great point!!!!

]]> By: dacook http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163688 dacook Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:13:41 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163688 A point that I think deserves mention is that if ESCR had been funded as many have demanded, there would have been much less incentive for Yamanaka and Thomson to pursue their research on alternatives. Ironically, the "anti-science" opposition to ESCR has led indirectly to a major advance in science. A point that I think deserves mention is that if ESCR had been funded as many have demanded, there would have been much less incentive for Yamanaka and Thomson to pursue their research on alternatives.
Ironically, the “anti-science” opposition to ESCR has led indirectly to a major advance in science.

]]> By: Unlettered and Ordinary http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163235 Unlettered and Ordinary Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:08:19 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163235 Greetings! I was so pleases to see this in Time, about Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and James Thomson. Finally, true science hits back. And with a knock out punch. Bravo, bravo, encore, encore... I was usually cheering for the other sources of stem cells, but when I heard this, I was ecstatic. Not only could we use adult stem cells, we could reprogram normal adult cell to become embryonic stem cells. This is brilliant. BTW, materialists have no moral standard, in thier view rape and murder are inheritable traits and natural selection made it that way. Look at eugenics and you see the mind of the materialists and their moral standard. Perhaps, I am being too harsh, maybe some of the scientists working on that abomination of science so fervorently in support of abortion and other violations of the principle of life, were just unaware of the moral implications, and conscious objections. Consciences? These people have consciences? If someone has a sound conscience, there is something called conscientious objection. A situation that causes a conflict with a persons conscience with the resulting refusal to move forward with the conflicting proposal or proposition. Anyway these two, Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and James Thomson should be given awards or something, for taking the high road instead of the political underbelly of the self-appointed ethics of the so-called elite so rotten with corruption. To these two, I tip my hat and bow with admiration. I am thoroughly charmed and inspired. Bravo, Well Done, I say. Greetings!

I was so pleases to see this in Time, about Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and James Thomson. Finally, true science hits back. And with a knock out punch. Bravo, bravo, encore, encore…

I was usually cheering for the other sources of stem cells, but when I heard this, I was ecstatic. Not only could we use adult stem cells, we could reprogram normal adult cell to become embryonic stem cells. This is brilliant.

BTW, materialists have no moral standard, in thier view rape and murder are inheritable traits and natural selection made it that way. Look at eugenics and you see the mind of the materialists and their moral standard.

Perhaps, I am being too harsh, maybe some of the scientists working on that abomination of science so fervorently in support of abortion and other violations of the principle of life, were just unaware of the moral implications, and conscious objections.

Consciences? These people have consciences? If someone has a sound conscience, there is something called conscientious objection. A situation that causes a conflict with a persons conscience with the resulting refusal to move forward with the conflicting proposal or proposition.

Anyway these two, Dr. Shinya Yamanaka and James Thomson should be given awards or something, for taking the high road instead of the political underbelly of the self-appointed ethics of the so-called elite so rotten with corruption.

To these two, I tip my hat and bow with admiration. I am thoroughly charmed and inspired. Bravo, Well Done, I say.

]]> By: tribune7 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163135 tribune7 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:07:05 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163135 <i>Give money to the right preacher (a.k.a government connected research scientist)</i> And, unfortunately, of course, unlike with honest quack preaching, it was mostly other people's money they were giving. Give money to the right preacher (a.k.a government connected research scientist)

And, unfortunately, of course, unlike with honest quack preaching, it was mostly other people’s money they were giving.

]]> By: tribune7 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163133 tribune7 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:04:01 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163133 <i>This line from the “California” link tells you that the embryonic stem cell project that California taxpayers got duped into funding was as much about politics and money as it was about medical breakthroughs.</i> ESCR was faith healing for secularists. Give money to the right preacher (a.k.a government connected research scientist) and YOU WILL WALK, MY FRIEND!!! THROW AWAY THAT CRUTCH, I say, FOR YOU WILL WALK!!! This line from the “California” link tells you that the embryonic stem cell project that California taxpayers got duped into funding was as much about politics and money as it was about medical breakthroughs.

ESCR was faith healing for secularists. Give money to the right preacher (a.k.a government connected research scientist) and YOU WILL WALK, MY FRIEND!!! THROW AWAY THAT CRUTCH, I say, FOR YOU WILL WALK!!!

]]> By: StuartHarris http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163129 StuartHarris Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:41:21 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163129 It should now be clear what the hysterical support for ESCR was really about. It had nothing whatsoever in any way to do with making people like Christopher Reeves walk again, healing organ diseases, etc. It was purely about propping up abortion and a materialistic worldview. What else could possibly explain the silence in the aftermath of the incredible discoveries this year by Yamanaka and Thomson? It should now be clear what the hysterical support for ESCR was really about. It had nothing whatsoever in any way to do with making people like Christopher Reeves walk again, healing organ diseases, etc. It was purely about propping up abortion and a materialistic worldview.

What else could possibly explain the silence in the aftermath of the incredible discoveries this year by Yamanaka and Thomson?

]]> By: selectedpete http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163113 selectedpete Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:01:10 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163113 As California goes, so goes the California taxpayer. Maybe we can add our new boondoggle to one of those slick "Come to California" ads: "The weather, celebrity legislators, progressive thinking - all that and ESCR too!" As California goes, so goes the California taxpayer.

Maybe we can add our new boondoggle to one of those slick “Come to California” ads: “The weather, celebrity legislators, progressive thinking – all that and ESCR too!”

]]> By: russ http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-163105 russ Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:37:36 +0000 http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/science-and-politics-key-lessons-from-the-stem-cell-controversy/#comment-163105 <blockquote>For those of you who do not work in the Golden State, you are mostly out of luck unless you can finesse the rules that limit the grants to academic and non-profit research institutions in California.</blockquote> This line from the "California" link tells you that the embryonic stem cell project that California taxpayers got duped into funding was as much about politics and money as it was about medical breakthroughs. If it were really about helping "millions" find medical cures, then they wouldn't limit the funds to instate entities.

For those of you who do not work in the Golden State, you are mostly out of luck unless you can finesse the rules that limit the grants to academic and non-profit research institutions in California.

This line from the “California” link tells you that the embryonic stem cell project that California taxpayers got duped into funding was as much about politics and money as it was about medical breakthroughs. If it were really about helping “millions” find medical cures, then they wouldn’t limit the funds to instate entities.

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